A New World Begins: The History of the French Revolution: A Q&A with NEH Public Scholar Jeremy D. Popkin

July 8, 2021

Is the history of the French Revolution (1789–1799) still relevant in the twenty-first century? Are there any lessons it can teach the modern American? And is there anything left to discover about it? To all of these questions, NEH Public Scholar Jeremy Popkin answers an emphatic “yes.” In A New World Begins: The History of the French Revolution (Basic Books, 2019), the first English-language survey of the French Revolution written for general readers in three decades, Popkin writes that “the French Revolution remains a vital part of the heritage of democracy.” Even so, he doesn’t shy away from its complications. Tackling many previously understudied aspects of the revolution, he notes that “the continuing relevance of the French Revolution does not mean that the events of 1789 are simple or that they can offer clear answers to the questions of our own day.” I spoke with Popkin about the revolution’s legacy, his book’s novel approach, and his future projects.

What aspects of the French Revolution does this book cover that previous histories have not?

From the start, I was determined to integrate the story of women’s participation in the revolution throughout the narrative, and to show how the revolution affected them. I also wanted readers to learn about the impact of the revolution in France’s overseas colonies, and how the revolution led to a struggle over slavery in France’s overseas colonies that resulted in its abolition in 1794 and then to the Haitian war of independence. The issue of populism became far more prominent during the years when I was working on the book. That was an aspect of the revolution that had been neglected for a long time, but I decided it deserved to be brought back in.

A New World Begins cover
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Courtesy of Basic Books

Americans have long been taught that their revolution compares to that of France. How do you see the ideals of the two revolutions converging and departing from each other?

The American and French revolutions started with very similar ideals—above all, the ideals of liberty and equality—but they took place under very different circumstances. Americans were already accustomed to a large degree of self-government. They lived in a society without the extremes of wealth and poverty that characterized pre-revolutionary France, although slavery was much more of a daily presence in American life than in Europe. The issue of religious freedom looked very different in America, where there was no dominant state church, than in France, where the Catholic Church was so powerful. Once the British were defeated, America did not face the kinds of immediate threats from foreign powers that drove the French revolutionaries to create a strong central government. The ideas of liberty and equality were much more controversial in France than they were in America.

Why is it relevant for American audiences to read about the French Revolution now? What lessons can it provide us?

In my book, I call the French Revolution “the laboratory in which all the possibilities of modern politics, both positive and negative, were tested for the first time.” In America, we tend to take it for granted that everyone believes liberty and equality are good things. The French Revolution helps us understand why it often turns out that people understand those ideas in very different ways, and how conflicts over them can polarize a society.

Eugène Delacroix’s La liberté guidant le peuple (Liberty Leading the People) (1833)
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Eugène Delacroix’s La liberté guidant le peuple (Liberty Leading the People) (1833)

Eugène Delacroix, public domain via Wikimedia Commons (2021)

This is a big project, and it must have seemed daunting at the start. What motivated you to undertake such a large work?

I was inspired by the examples of colleagues I admired who had taken on the challenge of writing for a wider public audience. Two younger professors in my own history department had gotten contracts for general-audience books shortly before I started on mine. I thought, “If they can do it, I can do it!” I thought my experience in writing a textbook for undergraduate courses on the French Revolution would be helpful. It was, but I quickly discovered that a book for readers who are not motivated by the desire to do well on the final exam has to be very different from a textbook.

How is writing for a general audience different from writing for a scholarly audience?

When you write for a general audience, you can’t assume that they have much background knowledge about your subject. At the same time, you don’t want to make readers feel they are being talked down to. My textbook-writing experience had taught me how to make things clear, but in writing this book I had to think more about how to make them interesting as well. I needed to convey a sense of the personalities of the figures I was writing about and what motivated them to do the things they did. At the same time, I needed to show my fellow historians that I was aware of the issues that concern them, even if I steered clear of abstruse historiographical debates. It was a stimulating challenge!

What about this project surprised you? Did anything about it turn out differently than you expected?

Lots of things surprised me as I proceeded. I found myself developing a certain sympathy for characters I had never taken a particular interest in before. Two examples: I came to have more regard for Robespierre, whom many people think of as the worst villain in the revolution. He articulated the fundamental principles of democracy more clearly than any other revolutionary leader, and I see him as trying to keep faith in those principles alive even as the crises of the revolution drove him to defend harsh measures. There is no question that other politicians used him unfairly as a scapegoat for everything that went wrong after he was dead. At the opposite end of the political spectrum, I started out assuming that Marie-Antoinette wasn’t a particularly important figure in the story. I came to realize that she transformed herself from a ditsy teenager into a hard-bitten political strategist, trying to find a way out of an impossible situation. I can’t share her values, but I wanted readers to understand why she did the things she did.

NEH Public Scholar Jeremy D. Popkin
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NEH Public Scholar Jeremy D. Popkin

Courtesy of Basic Books

What’s next for you?

I’m writing a book about American Jewish life in the 20th century, as reflected in the experiences and writings of my grandmother Zelda Popkin (1898–1983). She was a journalist and novelist, and her example inspired me to become a writer. Among other things, she wrote one of the earliest American novels with a Holocaust theme (1947) and the very first novel about the establishment of the state of Israel (1951).

 Jeremy Popkin received an NEH Public Scholars award (FZ-250334-16) to support research for A New World Begins: The History of the French Revolution (Basic Books, 2019). Popkin is the William T. Bryan Chair of History at the University of Kentucky.

The Public Scholars program supports well-researched books in the humanities written for the general public. For more information on the NEH Public Scholars program, or to apply, see the program’s resource page. Contact @email with questions.